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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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grover norquist's pledge. but now with the fiscal cliff looming, lawmakers who were once staunchly against raising revenues seem to be changing their tone a little bit. and grover norquist's influence may be fading fast. >> fewer and fewer people are signing this pledge. >> the pledge is dead. >> i'm not saying it's dead but i am saying the majority of members of congress see the fiscal cliff we want to sit down and we want to get something worked out. >> if you appropriate some of the money you achieved by eliminating deductions and loopholes to the national debt, even though that may technically violate the pledge, sign me up. that's a reasonable accommodation for a republican to make. >> jennifer: for the record, that was senators john mccain and lindsey graham so the question is this grover norquist's last stand? here with an answer is donnie fowler. donnie of course, democratic strategist and great political operative. welcome back into "the war room." is it grover norquist's last stand? >> we can only ho
grover norquist's pledge. but now with the fiscal cliff looming, lawmakers who were once staunchly against raising revenues seem to be changing their tone a little bit. and grover norquist's influence may be fading fast. >> fewer and fewer people are signing this pledge. >> the pledge is dead. >> i'm not saying it's dead but i am saying the majority of members of congress see the fiscal cliff we want to sit down and we want to get something worked out. >> if you...
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grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they have to be patriots and that's what this is about. are you going to put the interests of your country and your constituents above special interests that grover norquist has and the threat that he holds of pouring millions of dollars into your campaign? if that's the only way you're going to get re-elected, then darn it, it's not worth it, and i think a lot of republicans are coming to that conclusion. >> there are some encouraging signs. here is democratic senator dick durbin today speaking about the possibility of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a listen. >> pick up any of the hill newspapers and look for the full-page ads. basically saying to the left, keep your hands off the entitlements and to the right, keep your hands off of taxes. well, if both sides heed those warnings, nothing will happen. >> congressman, he's
grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they have to be patriots and that's what this is about. are you going to put the interests of your country and your constituents above special interests that grover norquist has and the threat that he holds of pouring millions of dollars into your campaign? if that's...
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i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents. anybody who is a student body president ought to be drowned. >> wow, strong feelings. >> did he sign an oath to that in that regard? >> the thing go grover, he's an entertaining guy and he does wield a lot of power. not as much as people said, but chuck todd said he's a symbol of absolutism. dan, what i wanted to ask you about is something else coming into the picture here in these negotiations is the debt ceiling. if that's going to be -- we're going to sort of come up against that a couple months into the new year, not at the same time as this fiscal slope. obama said to boehner he wants
i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents....
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it's not just grover norquist, it's the club for growth and other entities that do that. understand what direction these people leading the party in. they concede the republican party is a fundamental congressional and oppositional force. the whole point of the pledge is to say someone else is acting, and you are laying down in advance how you react. there's no plan you're going to act or leading. if the republican party is a presidential party again and it's lost the majority of the vote in five of the six past presidential elections, it has to think in an entirely different way to make commitments to different groups of voters. >> what about on cuts, james is this this is an interesting comment. dick durbin has been on the show and he's so rational and open to compromise. he was open to closing loopholes and not raising rates. he's a rational man, and he said yesterday that democrats shouldn't be talking about cutting social security. here he is. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. it's a separate funded operation. medicare is another story. only 12 y
it's not just grover norquist, it's the club for growth and other entities that do that. understand what direction these people leading the party in. they concede the republican party is a fundamental congressional and oppositional force. the whole point of the pledge is to say someone else is acting, and you are laying down in advance how you react. there's no plan you're going to act or leading. if the republican party is a presidential party again and it's lost the majority of the vote in...
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norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made a commitment to your voters. >> still, democrats are heartened by the new grover is over mini movement. although they shouldn't do the happy dance just yet, because republicans will want payback, as in medicare, medicaid and social security. so for all of you who want tax hikes on the wealthy, what are you willing to give up in return on social security, raising the retirement age to 70, on medicare, a total revamp, as in instead of the government paying your medicare bills, you pay them with help from the government. you tell me. "talkback" question for you, w
norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made...
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show kno
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height....
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this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the family budget and say how do we cut? where do we get back? once that's done, we are still a little short to pay down the debt, how can we bring in more revenue? so i think before -- for a lot of these members of congress who have committed to saying the problem is spending, we need to reform our out-of-control entitlements, that's where the focus should be. >> the base of the democratic party going to allow the president some leeway on this? >> we need to have everything on the table. let's be clear. >> social security? >> s ocial security is not contributing to the current debt or the deficit. social
this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the...
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their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. as opposes to raising tax rates. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding ground, but they have to avoid seemingly yielding ground underressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the wrong place to -- so-called loop homes, meaning deductions for home mortgage, are the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax sources. not by making it more difficult for people to work save and invest. >> wow, adding even m
their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing...
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that's what grover norquist is. let's be clear. the reason why the club for growth has so much power because of the connection with the funding. so i have to think and the polling has shown that the majority of republican voters actually want to see social security intact, medicare and medicaid intact, and not a spending only deficit reduction package. so there is a degree to which the donor class that sets the agenda in our current washington between the campaign finance rules, the lobbying rules, the donor class is setting the agenda and the donor class is more upset about the deficit even than the republican base. >> the last word to richard wolffe, give us your best guess of the date that this deal gets done by? >> i think it gets done early. they want to go home, they want to have christmas at home. the timing and sequencing of when things come into effect is optics but this deal gets done i'm going to say middle of december. >> all right. we will be watching. for the richard wolffe prediction. i want to thank everyone on the
that's what grover norquist is. let's be clear. the reason why the club for growth has so much power because of the connection with the funding. so i have to think and the polling has shown that the majority of republican voters actually want to see social security intact, medicare and medicaid intact, and not a spending only deficit reduction package. so there is a degree to which the donor class that sets the agenda in our current washington between the campaign finance rules, the lobbying...
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joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal when it was the simpson-bowles proposal, when it was the budget control act, because of the debt ceiling. it's the same collection of people with the same sort of statements. so i don't see any movement towards republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of these people have had impure thoughts. no one has pulled the trigger and voted for a tax increase. >> i know
joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going...
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grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92. >> "the wall street journal" defends norquist today writing, quote, the voters are smart enough to know that republicans who focus on mr. norquist are part of the problem. interesting calling out those republicans by the wall street editorial. norquist is a bit of a media creation. remember this. he's an easily digestible symbol of ideological purity. the people who actually police that purity are groups like the anti-tax, pro economic growth club for growth. it's barely been three weeks since senate republicans wrapped up another losing cycle where thanks to candidates like missouri's todd akin or indiana's richard
grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92....
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this is silly and grover norquist is engaging and they play their parts in their farce. the choice that has to be made in our current political system, the choice is the politicians will be honest to acknowledge the government cannot continue to grow, it cannot maintain its current size or meet its obligations. but if we include the state and county and local governments of unfunded liabilities just to the public employees. melissa: we just had an election. people do not believe that. lou: i do not understand. the election was not about unfunded liabilities. melissa: fundamentally about the size of government and people voted bigger. lou: i must have missed that. the republican party has grown government and assume advisers to government -- governor romney were the same as president bush. melissa: is seen as the boat to four obama was bigger government. lou: and the vote for mitt romney? i am saying the intellectual integrity of the moment acknowledging it is the size of government if we can't sustain them and the social safety net programs in perpetuity when we're trill
this is silly and grover norquist is engaging and they play their parts in their farce. the choice that has to be made in our current political system, the choice is the politicians will be honest to acknowledge the government cannot continue to grow, it cannot maintain its current size or meet its obligations. but if we include the state and county and local governments of unfunded liabilities just to the public employees. melissa: we just had an election. people do not believe that. lou: i do...
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>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i support my speaker. in this case, the democrats and president are trying to use the tax issue. instead, they ought to be coming to the table with real spending cuts, entitlement reform and compromised proposals. so far, they haven't done it. >> tom cole, thank you for joining us. >> wolf, thank you. >> joining us, republican senator rand paul of kentucky. senator thanks for coming in. let's get to the so-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that
>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i...
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we will hear from grover norquist at kennecott -- at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c- span. >> 16 or 17 basis, we have military-run schools, and the average cost educate a child per year is $50,000, almost four times with the rest of public education costs. -- what the rest of public education costs. we could take the money we're spending today, and pay every public school system $14,000 per child and save billions of dollars per year with the same or better outcomes. host: this weekend you can talk with tom coburn -- >> this weekend to can talk to tom coburn on tv "in debpth." join the conversation with your calls, tweets an e-mail to comments -- and e-mail to comments. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are kicking off our series today looking but the fiscal cliff negotiations, looking specifically at the bush era income tax cuts that were passed in 2001, 2003, and again in 2010 under this administration. joining me is the zachary goldfarb of "the washington post." when did the tax cuts take effect, and why? >> the initially took effect --
we will hear from grover norquist at kennecott -- at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c- span. >> 16 or 17 basis, we have military-run schools, and the average cost educate a child per year is $50,000, almost four times with the rest of public education costs. -- what the rest of public education costs. we could take the money we're spending today, and pay every public school system $14,000 per child and save billions of dollars per year with the same or better outcomes. host: this weekend you...
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. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we ar
. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy....
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a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i were in
a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge...
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they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher income earners. you wouldn't tell somebody who is in the middle class that they can no longer take their mortgage deduction. >> no, i understand that. but the math, as bill clinton says, when you do just that, it doesn't added a up. >> we have to have rates -- >> we have to have -- anyone who is really serious and has looked at it knows that it doesn't added a up. tell us the deductions that you're talking about. that was mitt romney's biggest problem. and then i think it's also important to note that we've got to do something about military spending. we spend more
they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher...
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. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too premature. grover norquist has become a convenient boogie man, merely because we have maybe hit a tipping point on tax increases and voters are starting to accept the idea that taxes have to go up a little bit on some people. we have got a long way to go, though. we still are going to have to start talking about tax increases on the middle class at some point. that is going to be an entirely different battle. the nmagnitude of the problem will require increases on the middle class or tax cuts that are really deep. the tax increases is going to solve th
. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too...
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grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington they will reform government and spend less money, rather than raise taxes. when harry read says that the commitment of those republican senators not to raise taxes is an impediment he means it's an impediment to raising taxes so obama and reid can keep spending money. reid has been supportive of every one of barack obama's wasteful spending programs e. wants to raise taxes to pay for it. you heard from van hollen earlier they are not interested in cutting any spending at all. they want to koeupbt as their contribution to budget he restraint, democrats. cuts already in law and 800 b
grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington...
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who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainl
who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another...
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2%, the 3%, the richest, those making over $250,000. >> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. we talk political strategy and politics all the time. this was my position, it was given in private. when it was asked, it was leaked by somebody, that is fine, i won't say anything different to you than my constituency in oklahoma, i am one voice, not king of the universe, i support the speaker. they're trying to do the right thing. i think in this case the democrats and the president are trying to use the tax issue. instead, they ought to be coming to the table with real spending cuts and entitlement reform and real congressman proposals, so far they haven't done it. >> congressman tom cole, thank you for joining us. >> wolf, thank you. >>> joining us now, republican senator, rand paul of kentucky. thank you. let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i
2%, the 3%, the richest, those making over $250,000. >> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. we talk political strategy and politics all the time. this was my position, it was given in private. when it was asked, it was leaked by somebody, that is fine, i won't say anything different to you than my constituency in oklahoma, i am one voice, not king of the universe, i support the speaker. they're trying to do the right thing. i think in this case the democrats and the president are...
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there's nothing you see over the next 35 days that would have you break that pledge with grover norquist? >> no, because raising taxes harms the economic growth. you get ten times the revenue by economic growth rather than punishing success. and, again, all of us are saying president obama, show us your plan for restraining the size of government, that's the main problem. again, his revenue proposal would raise $68 billion when we have over $1 trillion worth of deficit. where's the other $1 trillion in his balance plan? mr. president, show us your plan. >> sir, one thing, mitch mcconnell has said that revenue is on the table as long as entitlements would be on the table. conducting a fly-in lobbying day there in washington, d.c. this is where union leaders from 33 states are going to pressure their representatives to let the bush tax cuts expire and keep social security out of the fiscal cliff negotiations. lawmakers are being presented with this written letter in part by richard trumpka who is the president of that. accusing republicans of holding the economy hostage in that letter sayi
there's nothing you see over the next 35 days that would have you break that pledge with grover norquist? >> no, because raising taxes harms the economic growth. you get ten times the revenue by economic growth rather than punishing success. and, again, all of us are saying president obama, show us your plan for restraining the size of government, that's the main problem. again, his revenue proposal would raise $68 billion when we have over $1 trillion worth of deficit. where's the other...
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you need to know this is a possible a grover norquist the multimillionaire k. street lobbyists long funded by billionaires is an enemy of the state pretty strong language but consider that he has connived over the years to get literally hundreds of members of congress to violate their own awful oath of office by pledging a higher of both to keep billionaires taxes lower. on an ongoing basis their acquirement for members of congress to swear an oath to our country is in the constitution itself it's an article six says the senators and representatives shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support this constitution so starting with the first congress and seven hundred eighty nine members were sworn in by saying i do solemnly swear or affirm that i will support the constitution of the united states during the civil war president abraham lincoln supported in congress asked on july second six eight hundred sixty two legislation requiring an oath that added the members of congress had not previously engaged in any quote criminal or disloyal conduct and quote which
you need to know this is a possible a grover norquist the multimillionaire k. street lobbyists long funded by billionaires is an enemy of the state pretty strong language but consider that he has connived over the years to get literally hundreds of members of congress to violate their own awful oath of office by pledging a higher of both to keep billionaires taxes lower. on an ongoing basis their acquirement for members of congress to swear an oath to our country is in the constitution itself...
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many of the republicans signed for a group headed by the washington activist tax person, grover norquist. two prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break it over the weekend. but more importantly, will the house republicans feel the same way? >> i will tell you when i go to the constituents that reelected me, it is not about the pledge, but really about trying to solve problems. >> reporter: and brian, that is the problem here despite all the happy talk from senate republicans about the potential for compromising on taxes. the real action is between those house republicans elected by the more conservative group and the white house. we have a long way to go. >>> chuck todd on the white house lawn for us, thank you, and with due respect, while washington is one thing, and we know how they act. if this happens it will affect american lives and households millions strong. >>> tonight, we asked sharon epperson to go over this with us, it would be about personal finance >> it certainly would be, brian, and we're talking about nearly every taxpayer that will be affected. the f
many of the republicans signed for a group headed by the washington activist tax person, grover norquist. two prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break it over the weekend. but more importantly, will the house republicans feel the same way? >> i will tell you when i go to the constituents that reelected me, it is not about the pledge, but really about trying to solve problems. >> reporter: and brian, that is the problem here despite all the happy talk from senate...
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this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current economic and political moment it is also a service if republicans prevent tax rates from going up. providing some cover there. have republicans effectively caved on the idea of raising revenue? >> i don't think republicans have caved on anything related to taxes. we do have to remember that it is possible to bring in more revenue without raising taxes. any time you stimulate economic growth that's going to bring in more revenue. i want more revenue because i want more economic growth. that's the best way to bring in more revenue, to fund government
this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current...
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he agrees with grover norquist that the tax rates shouldn't be increased and says norquist is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign. my plan is bring down rates and deductions at the same time so revenue stays in. we bring down rates to get people working. >> they are meeting with ceos, caterpillar and goldman sachs and other key players on the fiscal issues. erskine bowles, coauthor of the simpson-bowles plan, they want the business community to hear their ideas after president obama met with ceos two weeks ago. a big deal should include spending cut and reforms. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is reporting that both sides cannot agree on whether they are still talking. >> the republicans suggest fiscal talk hit impasse and demand
he agrees with grover norquist that the tax rates shouldn't be increased and says norquist is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign....
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they're talking about this pledge from the grover norquist group. he's the anti-tax crusader. his group has gotten the majority of republicans in congress to sign this pledge to oppose any effort to raise taxes in any way. so first we heard from a senator out of georgia, a republican, who said for his country he would break this pledge because if you stick to that pledge you won't be able to reach an agreement to bring down the debt. today we heard from south carolina republican senator lindsey graham and also from new york congressman peter king responding to this idea and jumping on the bandwagon with chandliss. let's listen to that. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is avoid becoming broke and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to buy down debt and create rates to cut jobs, but i will raise taxes for the good of the country only if the government will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge we signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed the declara
they're talking about this pledge from the grover norquist group. he's the anti-tax crusader. his group has gotten the majority of republicans in congress to sign this pledge to oppose any effort to raise taxes in any way. so first we heard from a senator out of georgia, a republican, who said for his country he would break this pledge because if you stick to that pledge you won't be able to reach an agreement to bring down the debt. today we heard from south carolina republican senator lindsey...
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however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there you had grover norquist from the americans for tax reform who has spearheaded this no tax pledge. the fact of the matter is, zoraida, to reach an agreement there's going to have to be compromise, whether that means increasing taxes on some, whether that means changing entitlement reform, both sides are going to have to come to the table to try to reach an agreement. >> mark, can you remind folks how long ago that pledge was signed? >> this goes back years and years and years for many of these lawmakers in congress. they tend to be conservative. it's a very simpl
however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there...
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. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the
. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do...
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therefore, that's what the country wants. >> well, look, this is not about grover norquist. this is about the path that the republicans should be taking. look, there are two key, core, sacred principles at stake here at play for the republicans. one is not to raise taxes and the other is cutting spending. if senator chambliss wants to go down the road with the democrats, he's welcome to it, but there will be a price to pay, especially in the very conservative state of georgia. he will likely be primaried and likely lose -- jon: you think he gives up his seat if he goes for this? >> probably, because he is in a conservative state. but remember, the problem here is not a revenue problem. the democrats have dominated the narrative in talking about tax rates and how we're going to raise revenue, but the more important part of this calculation is spending. you don't -- if you get spending under control whether it's through entitlement reform, whether it's through cutting discretionary spending, you will bring this thing into line. now, you also have to do tax reform to get econom
therefore, that's what the country wants. >> well, look, this is not about grover norquist. this is about the path that the republicans should be taking. look, there are two key, core, sacred principles at stake here at play for the republicans. one is not to raise taxes and the other is cutting spending. if senator chambliss wants to go down the road with the democrats, he's welcome to it, but there will be a price to pay, especially in the very conservative state of georgia. he will...
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the war now breaking with anti-tax crusader grover norquist who had gotten a majority of republican lawmakers to pledge not to support any effort to raise taxes. >> i'm willing to generate revenue, it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. we're below historic averages. i will not raise tax rates to do it. i will cap deductions. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> reporter: it's not yet clear when lawmakers and the president will meet next. a final deal could still be a long way off. >> we rarely see the hill and the white house make decisions early. i would be pleasantly surprised to see a deal emerge earlier than the end of the year. but we'll see. >> reporter: this week just might bring the parties one step closer. athena jones, cnn, washington. >>> anger and fresh clashes in egypt as dwivisions deepen over the president's new powers. even the financial markets taking notice. >>> a weekend getaway turned into a raging inferno. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortun
the war now breaking with anti-tax crusader grover norquist who had gotten a majority of republican lawmakers to pledge not to support any effort to raise taxes. >> i'm willing to generate revenue, it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. we're below historic averages. i will not raise tax rates to do it. i will cap deductions. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> reporter: it's not yet...
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norquist. house majority leader eric cantor, senator lindsey graham of south carolina and senator saxby chambliss of georgia all said there could be an increase in tax revenue if democrats agreed to controlling the cost of medicare and medicaid. >> there's a right way to do this and there's a wrong way to do it. but at the end of the day, nancy what's got to happen is whoever's right or wrong here we've got to get the economy going again. >> reporter: chambliss and virginia democrat mark warner head up the senate's gang of eight-- four democrats and four remembers who have worked for two and a half years to find a bipartisan approach to debt reduction. do you think your democratic colleagues are going to be willing to entertain discussion of social security reform, medicare reform as part of this deal? >> listen, i think anyone that looks at our entitlements, medicare, social security, other programs, they're great programs. but the math just doesn't work anymore. not because the programs are b
norquist. house majority leader eric cantor, senator lindsey graham of south carolina and senator saxby chambliss of georgia all said there could be an increase in tax revenue if democrats agreed to controlling the cost of medicare and medicaid. >> there's a right way to do this and there's a wrong way to do it. but at the end of the day, nancy what's got to happen is whoever's right or wrong here we've got to get the economy going again. >> reporter: chambliss and virginia democrat...
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his name is grover norquist. he's the head of the group called americans for tax reform. 279 members of the current congress signed that group's pledge not to raise taxes ever. but a few of the signers are now saying the pledge is standing in the way of getting a deal done. georgia senator saxby clam chambliss, lindsey graham and corker of tennessee joined the chorus. this is how grover norquist responded this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge-taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10-1 ratios on entitlement reform. i've had long conversations with lindsey graham, and he would -- he says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. and as i suggested, i said senator, you're of
his name is grover norquist. he's the head of the group called americans for tax reform. 279 members of the current congress signed that group's pledge not to raise taxes ever. but a few of the signers are now saying the pledge is standing in the way of getting a deal done. georgia senator saxby clam chambliss, lindsey graham and corker of tennessee joined the chorus. this is how grover norquist responded this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge-taker has voted for a...
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a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping frenzy an
a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only...
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norquist wing of anti-taxers can win an election or not, and virginia is a great test. it's now a swing state that they should, republicans should be able to win with the right kind of message. they didn't win it. a quote liberal won it according to stuart stevens. what does that tell you? can the real hard core right wing win a statewide election with a guy like cuccinelli? >> that will be the test. >> that will be the test. and they may be up against terry mcauliffe, the democrat who represents everything about the clinton/obama democratic party that the people in southside virginia can't stand, that they don't like. let's see -- >> he's a classic northern virginia guy. he works in washington. he's a bedroom community guy. which is fair enough but they don't like it. >> and i think howard is exactly right. this is going to be a real dynamic test for the gop on the national level, not just for virginia, but how -- >> guess who else is going to be -- his wife perhaps. bill clinton will be in there campaigning. showing he's still got the chops. >> nobody has raised more
norquist wing of anti-taxers can win an election or not, and virginia is a great test. it's now a swing state that they should, republicans should be able to win with the right kind of message. they didn't win it. a quote liberal won it according to stuart stevens. what does that tell you? can the real hard core right wing win a statewide election with a guy like cuccinelli? >> that will be the test. >> that will be the test. and they may be up against terry mcauliffe, the democrat...
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grover norquist as an unusual way of describing republicans who might abandon his anti-tax pledge to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> well, things got personal between senate majority leader harry immediate and minority leader mitch mcconnell yesterday. mcconnell is angry about reid's plan to end filibusters on so-called motions to proceed done before any final debate. >> shutting off our right to express the views of our constituents as is being proposed would effectively shut these people out of the process. he will break the rules of the senate in order to change the rules of the senate. >> americans believe congress is broken. once again, the only ones who disagree with mitch mcconnell and republicans in congress. >>> another senator, dianne feinstein of california, set an election-day record after receiving the most votes ever for a u.s. senator. nearly 7.3 million. >>> well, will rick san
grover norquist as an unusual way of describing republicans who might abandon his anti-tax pledge to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> well, things got personal between senate majority leader harry immediate and minority leader mitch mcconnell yesterday. mcconnell is angry about reid's plan to...
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thank you, dan. >>> grover norquist not going to go away quietly. he is defending his organization's no tax pledge. he says despite what we've just heard from those republicans, nobody is backing down. here's norquist this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it won't. it would be spent. >> one familiar billionaire is, again, calling for the rich to pay just a little more. in an op ed column today's "new york times" investor warren buffett add slow indicates a minimum tax on what he calls the ultra rich. he says it will not wreck the economy. "the ultrarich, including me, will forever pursue investment opportunities." >> republican senator john mccain says that he is open to changing his mind on susan rice. now, if she's nominated to become the next swuf state, mccain, he now says he has, of course, been
thank you, dan. >>> grover norquist not going to go away quietly. he is defending his organization's no tax pledge. he says despite what we've just heard from those republicans, nobody is backing down. here's norquist this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was...
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has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues would be on the table as well as spending cuts and entitlement reform but we would not raise tax rates. i have seen nothing different than what these senators have said in the last day or so than what speaker boehner has said. the key here is the devil is in the details. once we see some sort of fine print in the next couple weeks, we'll know, you know, we'll know whether our legislators stand. one interesting thing here. i just want to add, we keep talking about tax reform but we have not really had a big conversation in the media about entitlement reform. medicare is exploding. billions of dollars, and we have millions of people are counting on it, will be retiring. baby boomers are retiring will go larger and larger. yet we have not talked about that yet. while we're talking about grover norquist versus these members i think the devil will be in the details. we'll have to talk about a broader conversation between tax revenue and entitlement reform.
has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues would be on the table as well as spending cuts and entitlement reform but we would not raise tax rates. i have seen nothing different than what these senators have said in the last day or so than what speaker boehner has said. the key here is the devil is in the details. once we see some sort of fine print in the next couple weeks, we'll know, you know, we'll know whether our legislators stand. one interesting thing here....
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/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal debt limit. it's set by law at $16.4 trillion. the nation is already approaching the na
/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes....
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it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th district, home of john boehner. do his constituents think they're being faithfully represented. is he rising above as some say? why men might be the new women when it comes to retail. we have the controversial piece when "squawk on the street" comes back. n you take a closer . ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so
it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th...
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that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. >> when i go to the constituents that have reelected me, it is not about that pledge. >> eric cantor, the majority leader in the house of representatives. joining us now, kevin mccarthy, the majority whip, the number three republican leader in the house of representatives. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> are you ready to jump on that bandwagon and violate that grover norquist pledge? >> i think what the american people want is to see the problem solved. what we have, we spend more than $1 trillion more than we bring in every year. we have to solve that problem
that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years...
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even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. an elevator prank meant to make people laugh, but is it legal. a brazilian tv showing people stepping inside an elevator and getting more than a lift. watch. megyn: we are sick here because we are laughing. some top lawyers are not laughing and they are argue that this is not lawful and this show could get side for this behavior. really? joining me
even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was...